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TheMoronMike #1 Posted 07 February 2013 - 07:42 PM

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Pilots!

In honor of Black History Month, we thought it would be fitting to take a look back back at the historical accomplishments of the Tuskegee Airmen, the first African-American military aviators in the United States armed forces. This notable group of combat aviators was comprised of pilots, navigators, bombardiers, and instructors who helped pave the way for breaking down the walls of segregation after World War II. You can read the post here.

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Firecicle #2 Posted 07 February 2013 - 11:19 PM

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I had the honor of having a chat with one of the surviving members when I went to the Oshkosh Fly In this past year.  It was such an honor and just a little emotional.  He was such a humble man.

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well the P-47 was the first AC they had that bore the trademark red tail









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my tribute to those famed few
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the only thing that I may say is the film  RED TAIL was more accurate then was given credit for,
the "Love tail" that was some said unnecessary was a key point the Pilots got into a fight just for being Black but the villagers  thought nothing of them walking hand in had out in the open. During WW2 and after Europe always tended to treat Blacks better then our own homeland. An the part about Stalag 18 was also true that was the POW camp that housed many of the Black captured pilot. Captured Black were treated in various way some said (mostly pilots) they were treated well.Others were mistreated as subhumans (mostly the Infantry ,and Tankers) some as the Germany political forces stated were not even captured they were beaten tortured and kill at the point of capture.  most noted was "Wereth 11."



'Red Tails' movie recalls memories for Tuskegee airman

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An 87-year-old retired major, Turner was one of the youngest captains of the Tuskegee Airmen, who escorted bomber groups when they attacked Berlin in 1945.
The movie jarred his memories of the March 24, 1945, flight of nearly 60 P-51s with their signature red tails that escorted U.S. bombers on a raid to destroy a tank production facility in Berlin.

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View PostMystic_Rune, on 09 February 2013 - 05:01 AM, said:

WoW , I guess you guys drank the progressive revisionist koolaid. This topic really upsets me .
Read general Chuck Yeagers books.
And many other books published before 1975.
The red tails (First Negro Squadron) was a complete failure.
Quote by Chuck Yeager, Recieved a radio message from flight of B-17s! Under Attack , Red tails RTB, help.

And on the new Liberal Progressive history channel , Interviewing a black wino , A former member of the tuskeegie , Claiming he shot down 12 Me-262 jets .
Give me a break.
Who could be so stupid to believe this CROCK.

View PostMystic_Rune, on 09 February 2013 - 05:01 AM, said:

WoW , I guess you guys drank the progressive revisionist koolaid. This topic really upsets me .
Read general Chuck Yeagers books.
And many other books published before 1975.
The red tails (First Negro Squadron) was a complete failure.
Quote by Chuck Yeager, Recieved a radio message from flight of B-17s! Under Attack , Red tails RTB, help.

And on the new Liberal Progressive history channel , Interviewing a black wino , A former member of the tuskeegie , Claiming he shot down 12 Me-262 jets .
Give me a break.
Who could be so stupid to believe this CROCK.

first off you get ppl that make false claimes in all races ,and also as was documented by the british during the BoB several time two of more pilots shoot at the same AC the 332 was logged and credited with the downing of almost half of all the german jets shot down 3 of the 7 .
But the lies happened on both sides Lt archer was to have been the First Negro Ace but the German plane got back to base and its wheels touched the USAAF disallowed kill on enemy AC on the ground,they ignored the fact the battle started in the air and was ongoing into the enemy  base.

The RED TAILS  have unmatched records to this day , and its funny the little air maneuver ppl cried could not be done was shown  and claimed by the "old crow" and every one accepted that. Just go to show you one sided ideas of ethnic base is still in effect. Another example was the 761st Black Tankers unit they did things as leading Pattons advanced iven thought he him self said hed did not think they could think fast enough for Armored warfare,but when he need a breakthrough he turned to them as they got it done they were first in to relive the troop in the battle of the bulge. but the credit was given to the unit they were attached to. I my self have done 27 years of service and know for a fact that many time what you hear or read here in the states is nothing like what  really happened.

At camp Anaconda I had the Honor of being part of the Force protection during our down time for the 332AEW in Iraq. Even Though we we Army,it was still a prized thing to get your runray pass for the AF section as it had the 332 unit patch on it..
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View PostMacMyers, on 08 February 2013 - 03:13 PM, said:

They flew P-40's, P-47's, and P-51,s.

View PostMacMyers, on 08 February 2013 - 03:13 PM, said:

They flew P-40's, P-47's, and P-51,s.
and AIRCOBRAS
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View PostFreeFOXMIKE, on 09 February 2013 - 11:38 AM, said:

hey , learn how to spell the name of the aircraft , "P-39 AIRACOBRA" Thanks.

Edited by Mystic_Rune, 09 February 2013 - 12:45 PM.


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nice too see that there aren't much racism now(or at least in Australia)


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View PostMystic_Rune, on 09 February 2013 - 05:01 AM, said:

WoW , I guess you guys drank the progressive revisionist koolaid. This topic really upsets me .
Read general Chuck Yeagers books.
And many other books published before 1975.
The red tails (First Negro Squadron) was a complete failure.
Quote by Chuck Yeager, Recieved a radio message from flight of B-17s! Under Attack , Red tails RTB, help.

And on the new Liberal Progressive history channel , Interviewing a black wino , A former member of the tuskeegie , Claiming he shot down 12 Me-262 jets .
Give me a break.
Who could be so stupid to believe this CROCK.



I find your Post offensive and almost reported it but changed my mind cause the best course of action when confronting ignorance is to correct it.



War accomplishments

In all, 992 pilots were trained in Tuskegee from 1941 to 1946. 450 were deployed overseas, and 150 lost their lives in accidents or combat.[33][54] The toll included 66 pilots killed in action or accidents, 84 killed in training and non-combat missions[55] and 32 captured as prisoners of war.[56][57] The Tuskegee Airmen were credited by higher commands with the following accomplishments:
  • 1378 combat missions, 1067 for the Twelfth Air Force; 311 for the Fifteenth Air Force
  • 179 bomber escort missions,[35] with a good record of protection,[56] losing only 25 bombers[58]
  • 112 enemy aircraft destroyed in the air, another 150 on the ground[35] and 148 damaged
  • 950 rail cars, trucks and other motor vehicles destroyed (over 600 rail cars[35])
  • One destroyer put out of action. The ship concerned had been classified as a destroyer (Giuseppe Missori) by the Italian Navy, before being reclassified by the Germans as a torpedo boat, TA 22. It was attacked on 25 June 1944. The German Navy decommissioned it on 8 November 1944, and finally scuttled it on 5 February 1945.[31][59][60]
  • 40 boats and barges destroyed[35]
Awards and decorations included:
Hardly makes the Units or the program a failure...

Edited by K_Legg, 09 February 2013 - 02:57 PM.

Proof of Ace : Bf 110B x2 ,Bf 110E(G)

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View PostK_Legg, on 09 February 2013 - 02:55 PM, said:

I find your Post offensive and almost reported it but changed my mind cause the best course of action when confronting ignorance is to correct it.



War accomplishments

In all, 992 pilots were trained in Tuskegee from 1941 to 1946. 450 were deployed overseas, and 150 lost their lives in accidents or combat.[33][54] The toll included 66 pilots killed in action or accidents, 84 killed in training and non-combat missions[55] and 32 captured as prisoners of war.[56][57] The Tuskegee Airmen were credited by higher commands with the following accomplishments:
  • 1378 combat missions, 1067 for the Twelfth Air Force; 311 for the Fifteenth Air Force
  • 179 bomber escort missions,[35] with a good record of protection,[56] losing only 25 bombers[58]
  • 112 enemy aircraft destroyed in the air, another 150 on the ground[35] and 148 damaged
  • 950 rail cars, trucks and other motor vehicles destroyed (over 600 rail cars[35])
  • One destroyer put out of action. The ship concerned had been classified as a destroyer (Giuseppe Missori) by the Italian Navy, before being reclassified by the Germans as a torpedo boat, TA 22. It was attacked on 25 June 1944. The German Navy decommissioned it on 8 November 1944, and finally scuttled it on 5 February 1945.[31][59][60]
  • 40 boats and barges destroyed[35]
Awards and decorations included:
Hardly makes the Units or the program a failure...


Where did you get those statistics, They are not official U.S.A.F records.
Why resort to fabricated dis-information . are you that desperate to re-invent history.
Very little of the information you posted is factual, mostly the biggest collection of outright lies i have ever read.
You will find it impossible to continue your attempts to turn a group of USAF reserve trainee"s who"s squadron was only active for less than a month into the hero"s that you obviously wish they were. But wishfull thinking is fantasy.

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View PostK_Legg, on 09 February 2013 - 02:55 PM, said:

I find your Post offensive and almost reported it but changed my mind cause the best course of action when confronting ignorance is to correct it.



War accomplishments

In all, 992 pilots were trained in Tuskegee from 1941 to 1946. 450 were deployed overseas, and 150 lost their lives in accidents or combat.[33][54] The toll included 66 pilots killed in action or accidents, 84 killed in training and non-combat missions[55] and 32 captured as prisoners of war.[56][57] The Tuskegee Airmen were credited by higher commands with the following accomplishments:
  • 1378 combat missions, 1067 for the Twelfth Air Force; 311 for the Fifteenth Air Force
  • 179 bomber escort missions,[35] with a good record of protection,[56] losing only 25 bombers[58]
  • 112 enemy aircraft destroyed in the air, another 150 on the ground[35] and 148 damaged
  • 950 rail cars, trucks and other motor vehicles destroyed (over 600 rail cars[35])
  • One destroyer put out of action. The ship concerned had been classified as a destroyer (Giuseppe Missori) by the Italian Navy, before being reclassified by the Germans as a torpedo boat, TA 22. It was attacked on 25 June 1944. The German Navy decommissioned it on 8 November 1944, and finally scuttled it on 5 February 1945.[31][59][60]
  • 40 boats and barges destroyed[35]
Awards and decorations included:
Hardly makes the Units or the program a failure...


And furthermore, since you seem to think i should be reported (FOR what i have no idea) , Here is another quote from chuck yeagers book. (As soon as the luftwaffe attacked in force the red tails scattered , failing to drop their tanks and diving for the deck in complete panic.   After this raid they were never allowed long range escort duty again for the remainder of the war.

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View PostMacMyers, on 09 February 2013 - 08:09 PM, said:

Mystic.... You are one of those people who's goal in life is to spread bovine fecal matter while pretending that you are not the revisionist gherkin jerker that you are.

You aren't interested in the truth as you have the phallus of hate clamped tightly in your throat. I've talked to people like you until I'm blue in the face and you will continue to belch up the drivel that passes for original thought in Clowny Face land no matter how often you are proven to be a feminum hygene product nozzel.

I'm done with you... other than in the arena.... but know that I do in fact, loathe you.
Then LOATHE ON MacMyers,  Because you are about as credible as the information contained in this post concerning the tuskeegy airmen , which was all copied and pasted from wikipedia. I checked.
And no information in wikipedia can be considered valid.

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View PostK_Legg, on 09 February 2013 - 02:55 PM, said:

I find your Post offensive and almost reported it but changed my mind cause the best course of action when confronting ignorance is to correct it.



War accomplishments

In all, 992 pilots were trained in Tuskegee from 1941 to 1946. 450 were deployed overseas, and 150 lost their lives in accidents or combat.[33][54] The toll included 66 pilots killed in action or accidents, 84 killed in training and non-combat missions[55] and 32 captured as prisoners of war.[56][57] The Tuskegee Airmen were credited by higher commands with the following accomplishments:
  • 1378 combat missions, 1067 for the Twelfth Air Force; 311 for the Fifteenth Air Force
  • 179 bomber escort missions,[35] with a good record of protection,[56] losing only 25 bombers[58]
  • 112 enemy aircraft destroyed in the air, another 150 on the ground[35] and 148 damaged
  • 950 rail cars, trucks and other motor vehicles destroyed (over 600 rail cars[35])
  • One destroyer put out of action. The ship concerned had been classified as a destroyer (Giuseppe Missori) by the Italian Navy, before being reclassified by the Germans as a torpedo boat, TA 22. It was attacked on 25 June 1944. The German Navy decommissioned it on 8 November 1944, and finally scuttled it on 5 February 1945.[31][59][60]
  • 40 boats and barges destroyed[35]
Awards and decorations included:
Hardly makes the Units or the program a failure...

WIKIPEDIA is not an accredited source of information.

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ever think it was to MAKE you pay attention,and I love your aviator   talk about truth in advertising  :))))))    :Smile-_tongue:

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View PostMystic_Rune, on 09 February 2013 - 09:05 PM, said:

WIKIPEDIA is not an accredited source of information.

View PostMystic_Rune, on 09 February 2013 - 09:05 PM, said:

WIKIPEDIA is not an accredited source of information.
ok prove it wrong

as per the USAF then called USAAC
http://www.af.mil/sh...-070207-059.pdf

109 Victories: Aerial Victory Credits of the Tuskegee Airmen
Dr. Daniel L. Haulman
Air Force Historical Research Agency
Jan. 27, 2006
The Tuskegee Airmen were the only African-American pilots in combat in the
Army Air Forces during World War II.  They were members of the 332d Fighter Group
and its assigned 99th, 100th, 301st, and 302d Fighter Squadrons.  This paper will focus
on their aerial victory credits.  It is based on primary source documents, including general
orders and unit histories, archived where I work at the Air Force Historical Research
Agency at Maxwell Air Force Base in Montgomery, Alabama.  
The most famous of the 332d Fighter Group commanders was Col. Benjamin O.
Davis Jr.  His father had been the first African-American general in the U.S. Army.
Partly because he was a graduate of West Point, Colonel Davis had already been
commander of the 99th Fighter Squadron, the first black flying unit in the Army Air
Corps.  The squadron was more than a year older than the group.
1
  
The 99th Fighter Squadron deployed from Tuskegee, Alabama, to French
Morocco in April 1943.  Originally flying the P-40 Warhawk aircraft, the 99th Fighter
Squadron began combat operations from Tunisia on June 2.  While serving under the
Twelfth Air Force, the 99th and other fighter and bomber squadrons attacked enemy
installations in Tunisia and Sicily and on the island of Pantelleria in the Mediterranean
Sea.  The defenders of Pantelleria, heavily bombarded from the air and sea, surrendered
on June 11 without the need for an invasion.
2
  
On 2 July 1943, 99th Fighter Squadron pilots escorted B-25 medium bombers in
an attack on Castelvetrano, Italy.  Enemy FW-190 fighters rose to intercept the bombers,
and the Tuskegee P-40s intervened.  On that day Lt. Charles B. Hall scored the
squadron’s first aerial victory.  Never before had an African-American fighter pilot in the
U.S. armed forces shot down an enemy aircraft.
3
  
Hall’s was the only squadron aerial victory for all of 1943.  On June 9, a squadron
formation had scattered when a German fighter force twice its size and flying superior
aircraft attacked it from above and out of the sun.  Army Air Force generals questioned
whether the 99th Fighter Squadron should remain in combat.  In testimony before the
War Department’s Advisory Committee on Negro Troop Policies, Colonel Davis
convinced committee members to endorse his squadron’s continued combat role.
4

From the spring of 1943 until May of 1944, the 99th was assigned to the XII Air
Support Command but attached at various times to white fighter groups, including the
324th, the 33d, and the 79th.  During that time, the squadron supported the Allied
invasion of Sicily, to which it moved in late July 1943, and the mainland of Italy, to
which it moved in October.  On January 16, 1944, the squadron moved again, this time to
Capodichino Airdrome near Naples.
5

Less than one week later, more than 37,000 Allied troops launched an amphibious
invasion of Anzio, about 35 miles south of Rome.  Although they established a
beachhead by nightfall, they could not break out of the city.  On January 23, Luftwaffe
aircraft attacked the Allied positions and two hospital ships in the harbor.  Four Army Air
Forces fighter groups and their squadrons took on the task of repelling enemy air raids.
Among them was the 99th Fighter Squadron.
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this is derived from the official record granted I have found a few things that were later found incorrect but it was things to the 332nd favor.

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depends on your source
Bell P-39D Aircobra - Unique in its design and power plant the P-39 Air Cobra was the first US Army fighter to be fitted with a retractable tricycle type landing gear. These features were imposed by a desire at the time of the middle and late 1930s to mount heavy armament

and is it wash day what that hanging on there line out there???

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View PostMystic_Rune, on 09 February 2013 - 06:39 PM, said:

And furthermore, since you seem to think i should be reported (FOR what i have no idea) , Here is another quote from chuck yeagers book. (As soon as the luftwaffe attacked in force the red tails scattered , failing to drop their tanks and diving for the deck in complete panic.   After this raid they were never allowed long range escort duty again for the remainder of the war.

View PostMystic_Rune, on 09 February 2013 - 06:39 PM, said:

And furthermore, since you seem to think i should be reported (FOR what i have no idea) , Here is another quote from chuck yeagers book. (As soon as the luftwaffe attacked in force the red tails scattered , failing to drop their tanks and diving for the deck in complete panic.   After this raid they were never allowed long range escort duty again for the remainder of the war.



wow very funny that have the record for the longest bomber escort in history hummmmmmmmmmm now I post official USAF link lets face it your a victim of tunnel vision you can only see one thing ---- the thing you want to see. and just like with the Black tanker they were denied awards then they same paperwork was submitted but without the mention of race and behold over 10 medals of honor were awarded to black of WW2 3 of which to Black tankers
and 2,  I believe the the 761st,and just like patton he went of record the he thought the black tankers lacked the skill,and bravery to be tankers,and a study was done by the war college that backed his statement up,but when he asked for the best unassigned tanker unit in the states they gave him the 761,no only did they have the skill but they became his goto unit if a hard job need to be done he had the 761st lead the way,

And in closing as far as Blacks having what it takes for combat I am Black did 8 tours as Infantry leader,never lost a man and retired (will admit to one year was  only us getting shot at in camp anaconda) so WE can and have ,and will do the job in combat so just get over you preconceived  thoughts as they don't  hold water.

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oh and you will say this never happened to in the Euro WoWP tourny the Team RED TAILS won  1st place . so I suppose  you say that never happened  also  lol.

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The Tuskegee Airmen were fine pilots and above all else, good men. They were given a chance to break the color barrier; but they did not break it, they shattered it; it only took the rest of the United States 20+ years to figure it out. Yet unfortunately for some this lesson is hard learned even today, a grievous error that one can only hope they will overcome. Speaking of which and addressing a few good men in this thread:

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